I have a 2004 Discovery, and the Generator wii no start. I had not been using the generator this past summer, bit I ahd the oil changed in Aug. When we started home (from Oh. To Tx.) I tried to start it, but I had to prime it, then it started. After a week in the camp ground, we then continued on our way. We pulled in to a rest area and i I tried to start it.
It would not start. The start switch is a rocker type that you push down to start and up to prime. The prime has a lightening bolt on it that I think is a light.
This does not light when I pressed on it. I was thinking that a fuse was out. But after checking the fuses, what I could find, they were not blown. My mh is a 2004 Fleetwood Discovery 39l. IRV2.com RV Community - Are you about to start a new improvement on your RV or need some help with some maintenance? Do you need advice on what products to buy? Or maybe you can give others some advice?
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If you lose a prime that would mean you had air in your lines and I would be willing to bet that you will not fix that by just holding a button in. Are you talking about turning on the glow plugs. I could see that happening if you pushed in on a button to turn them on then start it after they had heated up the cylinder. Could someone explain what they mean by prime?
I am very confused by this post. What is everyone talking about when they say prime. These are diesel engines to the best of my knowledge you do not prime a diesel. The instant you get air in a diesel engine you have problems starting it. If you lose a prime that would mean you had air in your lines and I would be willing to bet that you will not fix that by just holding a button in.
Are you talking about turning on the glow plugs. I could see that happening if you pushed in on a button to turn them on then start it after they had heated up the cylinder.
Could someone explain what they mean by prime? Pushing and holding the bottom of the start switch activates the fuel pump. Maybe pressurize is a better word. I have a 1996 HR Navigator with a 10K Onan diesel gen. It periodically refuses to start.
The cause is the solenoid activated fuel shutoff switch which initiated by the rocker switch on either the dash or at the gen. I have found this switch to e a bit of a weak link with my gen, having replaced it three times in seven years. Not something I would have expected.
I try o carry a spare with me, but if you don't (can't), you can get the gen to start by using the preheat/start rocker switch at the genset and as you push it to start, also pull back on the fuel shutoff switch. There seems to be a weakness develop after a couple of years and this is the only way to get it started without replacing the shutoff switch. This happens to my coach regardless of the charge condition of my batteries. One other thing I notice is that if I haven't used the genset for some time, I have to do multiple preheats (2 or 3) before the generator starts. Had a problem with the 10KW on my 2001 Monaco.
A member here suggested the 'Onan Voodoo' solution. Start the engine first and then try the Onan starter. I don't have a clue why this worked but it did. Voodoo, If you have to ask, you won't understand'.:-) One more thing, get out the Onan manual and read the starting instructions. Mine does not suggest using the fuel pump 'prime' to start the Onan unless the filter has been replaced. The start position will produce the same 'clicking' sound (fuel pump running) as the prime position until the starter engages.
. Operator Manual Commercial Mobile Generator Set HDKCC (Spec A−C) HDKCD (Spec A−C) English − Original Instructions 11−2009 981−0174 (Issue 5). California Proposition 65 Warning Diesel engine exhaust and some of its constituents are known to the State of California to cause cancer, birth defects, and other reproductive harm. Table of Contents SECTION PAGE Table of Contents.SAFETY PRECAUTIONS. General Inspection. Checking Engine Oil Level.
SAFETY PRECAUTIONS Thoroughly read the OPERATOR’S MANUAL S Make sure all fasteners are secure and before operating the genset. Safe operation and torqued properly. Top performance can only be obtained when S Do not work on the genset when mentally or equipment is operated and maintained proper- physically fatigued or after consuming alcohol or drugs. ENGINE EXHAUST IS DEADLY S Do not wear loose clothing or jewelry near moving parts such as PTO shafts, fans, belts S Inspect for exhaust leaks at every startup and and pulleys. After every eight hours of running. S Keep hands away from moving parts. S Learn the symptoms of carbon monoxide poi- soning in the Operator’s Manual.
SUBSTANCE HAZARDOUS TO HEALTH PROTECTIVE MEASURES Refrain from eating, drinking or smoking when us- Generator sets use substances, and emit and ing the product. Adopt a high standard of personal create wastes that can cause health risks. Genera- hygiene. In case of skin contact, wash immediately tor set operators must use appropriate personal with soap and water. wash solution for at least five minutes.
Seek high level of gas oil is of low order. Prolonged, re- medical advice. Peated skin contact may de−fat the skin resulting in possible skin irritation and dermatitis. In some S Skin cases warty, cancerous growths have occurred.
Wash thoroughly with soap and water, and seek medical attention if irritation develops. Small fire − foam/dry powder, AAAF, CO lubrication oil for use in wide range of diesel en- sand, earth. Gines operating under severe conditions. Installers, Avoid making sparks. Fire fighters to use self− operators and maintainers are likely to encounter contained breathing apparatus. EMERGENCY ACTION posed containers cool.
S Ingestion S Fire Do not induce vomiting, Obtain medical advice Extinguishing media: immediately. Large fire − Use water spray, fog or foam. Do not use water jet.
S Inhalation (of vapour) Small fire − Use dry chemical powder or CO Remove from further exposure. Introduction ABOUT THIS MANUAL numbers is significant.
The last character of the model number is the specification letter, which is im- This is the Operator’s Manual for the generator sets portant for obtaining the right parts. Genuine (gensets) listed on the front cover. Read and care- Onan®. If you have difficulty in arranging service or resolv- ing a problem, please contact the Service Manager ELECTROMAGNETIC COMPATIBILITY at the nearest Cummins/Onan distributor for assis- tance. Generator sets emit and receive electromagnetic (radio frequency) energy.
If the generator set af. EMISSIONS genset is authorized, you should seek assistance from an approved Onan dealer. You should carefully review Operator (Owner), California genset users may use Table 1-1 as an aid Installation manuals and other information you re- in locating information related to the California Air ceive with your genset. TYPICAL GENSET cooling and ventilating air and the maintenance and service access panels of a typical genset. Not Figure 1-3 illustrates the fuel, battery, remote con- shown are the combustion air inlet and oil drain trol and AC output connection points, the flow of openings in the base.
Operation RECOMMENDED FUEL Diesel fuel is combustible and can WARNING cause severe personal injury or death. Do not smoke near fuel tanks or fuel-burning equip- ment or in areas sharing ventilation with such equipment. Keep flames, sparks, pilot flames, electrical arcs and switches and all other sources of ignition well away. CONTROL PANEL (Rapid blinking before cranking starts indicates that the glow plugs are preheating the combustion The control panel (Figure 2-2) has the following fea- chambers. The genset controller automatically var- tures: ies the time based on engine temperature.) Control Switch − This switch is used to start and Line Circuit Breaker(s) −. REMOTE CONTROL PANELS There probably is a remote genset control panel in- side the vehicle. Onan offers three remote control kits as follows: S Remote switch / status lamp (Figure 2-3).
S Remote switch / status lamp and hour meter (Figure 2-4). EXHAUST GAS is deadly. Turn off air conditioners and other large ap- All en- WARNING pliances.
Gine exhaust contains carbon monoxide; an odorless, colorless, poisonous gas that can PRIMING THE FUEL SYSTEM cause unconsciousness and death. Symptoms of carbon monoxide poisoning include: The fuel system should be primed after replacing. AUTOMATIC STARTING AND STOPPING and then on again, even though the sum of the loads is less than genset rating. The reason for this is that The vehicle may be equipped with an inverter-char- a motor’s startup load is much larger than its running ger or other automatic genset starting device.
RESETTING CIRCUIT BREAKERS OPERATING IN COLD WEATHER If a circuit breaker in the main power distribution Make sure the engine oil viscosity is appropriate for panel of the vehicle or on the genset (Figure 2-2) the cold weather temperatures. See ENGINE OIL trips, either a circuit shorted or too many appliances RECOMMENDATIONS (Page 2-1). Sofia city guide. BREAKING IN A NEW ENGINE CARBON MONOXIDE is deadly WARNING and can accumulate to dangerous levels in garages and other confined spaces.
Dis- Proper engine break-in on a new genset or on one able the automatic genset starting feature with a rebuilt engine is essential for top engine per- of an inverter-charger or other automatic formance and acceptable oil consumption. Periodic Maintenance Periodic maintenance is essential for top perfor- any engine repair establishment or individual. How- mance and long genset life. Use Table 3-1 as a ever, warranty work must be completed by an au- guide for normal periodic maintenance. In hot and thorized Onan dealer. GENERAL INSPECTION Do not operate power ventilators or exhaust fans while the vehicle is standing with the genset run- ning.
The ventilator or fan can draw exhaust gases Inspect the genset before the first start of the day into the vehicle. And after every eight hours of operation. Park the vehicle on level ground, shut down the Accidental or remote starting can WARNING genset and remove the front access door. Cause severe personal injury or death. Discon- nect the negative (−) cable at the battery to pre- 2. Add or drain oil as necessary. See REC- Do not run the genset with the main- WARNING OMMENDED ENGINE OIL (p.
Keep the tenance access covers off. Contace with haz- oil level between the FULL and ADD marks. Ardous moving parts and hot exhaust manifolds can cause severe personal injury. FILTER DIP STICK FILL CAP DRAIN PLUG (22 MM HEX HEAD) FIGURE 3-1.
ENGINE OIL MAINTENANCE. MAINTAINING THE BATTERY AND REPLACING THE AIR FILTER ELEMENT BATTERY CONNECTIONS Engine components (drains, filters, WARNING Arcing at battery terminals or in hoses, etc) will be hot and can cause severe WARNING light switches or other equipment, and flames or burns. COOLANT RECOVERY TANK AIR FILTER HOUSING (SHOWN CUT AWAY) END CAP FIGURE 3-2.
REPLACING THE AIR FILTER ELEMENT. REPLACING THE FUEL FILTER Removing the Fuel Filter See Table 3-1 for scheduled fuel filter replacement. Disconnect the two fittings at the filter and remove A dirty fuel filter may be the cause of a failure to start. The mounting nut.
Apply a wrench on the filter fitting The fuel filter is accessible through the front access as well as on the flare nut so as not to stress the fit- door (Figure 3-3). HOSE TO FUEL ENGINE FILTER FILTER MOUNTING NUT BRACKET HOSE FROM MOUNTING FUEL PUMP SCREWS FIGURE 3-3. MAINTAINING THE COOLANT SYSTEM remove the coolant drain plug (Figure 3-4) and drain the coolant into a suitable container. Refer to Table 3-1 for scheduled maintenance. The Ethylene glycol antifreeze is con- WARNING engine cooling system is filled with a 50/50 mixture sidered toxic.
PRESSURE CAP AND SYSTEM COOLANT RECOVERY FILL OPENING TANK RECOVERY TANK FILL CAP (BLUE) COOLANT LEVEL COOLANT DRAIN PLUG (1/4 INCH HEX SOCKET) FIGURE 3-4. ENGINE COOLING SYSTEM 3-11.
Troubleshooting TROUBLESHOOTING WITH TABLE 4-1 S Two blinks indicate shutdown due to a loss of engine oil pressure. To aid troubleshooting the genset controller causes S Three blinks indicate a service fault. Press the status indicator light to blink the numeric code Stop once to cause the two-digit, second-level assigned to the fault that caused shutdown. TROUBLESHOOTING Some genset service procedures present hazards that can result in severe per- WARNING sonal injury or death. Only trained and experienced service personnel with knowledge of fuels, electricity, and machinery hazards should perform genset service. See Safety Precautions.
NO RESPONSE AT CONTROL SWITCH (Faulty switch, poor or missing connections, dead battery) Corrective Action. Models HDKCA and HDKCB − The genset starting battery is recharged by the vehicle engine or separate battery charger. Service as required.
Models HDKCC and HDKCD − These models have a feature whereby genset battery charging al- ternator G1 can be disabled, via relay K1, by connecting B+ to remote connector pin P8-D. Service the vehicle engine or separate battery charger if depended upon for recharging the genset starting battery.
TROUBLESHOOTING Some genset service procedures present hazards that can result in severe per- WARNING sonal injury or death. Only trained and experienced service personnel with knowledge of fuels, electricity, and machinery hazards should perform genset service. See Safety Precautions. ENGINE OVER TEMPERATURE—CODE NO. TROUBLESHOOTING Some genset service procedures present hazards that can result in severe per- WARNING sonal injury or death.
Only trained and experienced service personnel with knowledge of fuels, electricity, and machinery hazards should perform genset service. See Safety Precautions. OVER CRANK—CODE NO.
TROUBLESHOOTING Some genset service procedures present hazards that can result in severe per- WARNING sonal injury or death. Only trained and experienced service personnel with knowledge of fuels, electricity, and machinery hazards should perform genset service. See Safety Precautions. UNDER VOLTAGE—CODE NO.
TROUBLESHOOTING Some genset service procedures present hazards that can result in severe per- WARNING sonal injury or death. Only trained and experienced service personnel with knowledge of fuels, electricity, and machinery hazards should perform genset service. See Safety Precautions. ACTUATOR SHORTED OR OPEN—CODE NO. TROUBLESHOOTING Some genset service procedures present hazards that can result in severe per- WARNING sonal injury or death. Only trained and experienced service personnel with knowledge of fuels, electricity, and machinery hazards should perform genset service. See Safety Precautions.
VAC SENSE LOST—CODE NO. TROUBLESHOOTING Some genset service procedures present hazards that can result in severe per- WARNING sonal injury or death. Only trained and experienced service personnel with knowledge of fuels, electricity, and machinery hazards should perform genset service. See Safety Precautions. STARTING FAULT—CODE NO. TROUBLESHOOTING Some genset service procedures present hazards that can result in severe per- WARNING sonal injury or death. Only trained and experienced service personnel with knowledge of fuels, electricity, and machinery hazards should perform genset service.
See Safety Precautions. FIELD OVERLOAD—CODE NO. TROUBLESHOOTING Some genset service procedures present hazards that can result in severe per- WARNING sonal injury or death.
Only trained and experienced service personnel with knowledge of fuels, electricity, and machinery hazards should perform genset service. See Safety Precautions. LOSS OF FIELD SENSE—CODE NO. Specifications MODEL: HDKCA HDKCB GENSET CONTROL: Integrated Microprocessor-Based Engine and Generator Controller GENERATOR: Single-Bearing, 4-Pole Rotating Field, 1800 RPM Power (@1.0 power factor) 10,000 W 12,500 W Voltage 120 / 240 120 / 240 Frequency 60 Hz 60 Hz Number of Phases Current 41.7 amps per leg. SPECIFICATIONS MODEL: HDKCC HDKCD GENSET CONTROL: Integrated Microprocessor-Based Engine and Generator Controller GENERATOR: Single-Bearing, 4-Pole Rotating Field, 1800 RPM Power (@1.0 power factor) 10,000 W 12,000 W Voltage 120 / 240 120 / 240 Frequency 60 Hz 60 Hz Number of Phases Current 41.7 amps per leg.
Maintenance Record Record all periodic and unscheduled maintenance and service. See Section 3. Periodic Maintenance. HOUR DATE METER MAINTENANCE OR SERVICE PERFORMED READING Record the name, address, and phone number of your authorized Onan service center. Phone 1 763 574 5000 Toll-free 1 800 888 6626 Fax 1 763 574 5298 Email www.cumminsonan.com/contact www.cumminsonan.com Cummins, Onan, the “C” logo, and “Performance you rely on.” are trademarks of Cummins Inc. E2009 Cummins Power Generation, Inc. All rights reserved.