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You are logged in as a guest. ( ) Why would you NOT buy a White planter?:: - Message format Posted 5/9/2010 18:30 (#1191695) Subject: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? South-central Nebraska With all of the questions about E-sets verses Promax 40 working or not working, problems with Vac issues and the high hydraulic requirements of some planters why should you not consider a White planter? One of my dealers summed it up by saying they are 'simple stupid' planters, meaning very easy to operate. I considered a White, but JD blew them away with their trade price.

I know after two years with my Deere, I will probably take my meters in to have them gone thru and tested, I have replaced one vac motor and fan and have had numerous vac tubes and CCS tubes show wear from rubbing against things on the planter. When my monitor alrms goes off, it normally is because of something Vac related. Most people should have access to a dealer for parts and I wouldn't think service would be a huge issue for most on a planter. I'm very happy with the performance and stand I have from my JD. I just wonder if their is a simpler, less expensive and less stressful way to get it with another planter? Maybe I'm getting a to point in life where simple is more important, plus it keeps my blood pressure lower! Posted 5/9/2010 19:14 (#1191746 - in reply to #1191695) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter?

Southeast Washington I have a white planter for the first time and it is very easy to set takes little hydraulics and does a good job so far. When I saw how they worked I could not believe how simple it was. Posted 5/9/2010 19:16 (#1191747 - in reply to #1191695) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter?

I was never very impressed with the spacing accuracy with the white planters I owned. 5100's, and a 6100. I always hated how some rows would underplant, and some overplant. And the worst was certain seed sizes wouldn't plant worth a darn, then the next hybrid in the same seed size would plant good. Yes, it was a simple, fairly trouble free planter, but now have a Kinze with new precision finger pickup units, and have never been happier. Accuracy is great, bumps in the fields don't knock seed off the discs like the white did, and no annoying pump running all the time, plus no seed treatment stuff blowing up in your eyes when you open the lids to check seed levels as those White planters do.

I can pull the Kinze with the old 560 IH if I had to. Posted 5/9/2010 19:21 (#1191751 - in reply to #1191747) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Central - east central Minnesota - I agree, if a guy wants simple - go with a finger unit. Posted 5/9/2010 22:29 (#1192108 - in reply to #1191747) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Gmark - 5/9/2010 18:16 I can pull the Kinze with the old 560 IH if I had to. I could pull our 6100 White with the 630 Jd (2 cyl ) if I had to. Don't want to but I know for a fact that it will lift it, fold it and it would also have no problem running the fan.

Probably have to tighten up the hand clutch and go in about 2nd gear, might need more wheel weights also. Get a tractor with closed center hyd and you don't need a pto pump for a White. Basically any tractor other than an old IH Posted 5/10/2010 13:12 (#1192850 - in reply to #1191747) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter?

Back when i worked for a guy in Eustis,Ne, he got his White Planters from a guy in Cozad. They had a sign out ft that said,'Talc,is for babies butts, not planters' Posted 5/9/2010 19:20 (#1191749 - in reply to #1191695) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Flora IL Can't find a dealer and resale sucks.

Any planters simple once u learn it. I know a guy who loved his white but dealer wouldn't deal on a trade up for a new one and nobody else would give him much.

Atleast with the big 3 u will have resale value Posted 5/9/2010 19:30 (#1191765 - in reply to #1191749) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Ogden, IA (Central) I have no complaints w a finger pick up, ran precision units on our kinze for years. Great accuracy, more mantainence longer to change over to beans and slower planting speeds. We now run a white and really love it and i do not think i gave up any accuracy. Yeah i do have to pay attention to air pressure now as the hydralic oil warms up thruought the day. Look at Great Plains thought when they wanted an air unit what did they do, they copied white because they simply could not get the accruacy our of a vac unit. Overall i would say our white will hands down beat for sure our old kinze and a lot of planters in mantanince costs per acre.

They a just so simple. Posted 5/9/2010 19:34 (#1191771 - in reply to #1191765) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? West Kentucky Biggest problem with the white planter was that they were not heavy enough get double cropped beans in the ground if it got dry. I have always heard good stuff about them otherwise.

Posted 5/9/2010 19:55 (#1191796 - in reply to #1191771) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Saronville NE I havent had alot of promblems with my JD planters and vacums. But not sure if I will buy another next time, thinking of trying white or CIH.

Dont have to have Esets to make them work good and hear the CIH is alot better in notill (if I stay with notill ). Gettin to be alot more whites in my area and most all were running Jds before and they love em say they wouldnt go back to a JD, simple and less maintence. Posted 5/9/2010 20:09 (#1191815 - in reply to #1191771) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Martinsville, Ohio I would never plant double crops in 15 inch rows. Posted 5/9/2010 21:25 (#1191957 - in reply to #1191815) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Shelbina, Missouri (NEMO) Why not?

Posted 5/9/2010 21:09 (#1191919 - in reply to #1191765) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? That extra 300 or so you spend each year keeping finger units up to speed and brush meters in shape will easily be made up at trade in time.

Posted 5/9/2010 19:52 (#1191794 - in reply to #1191695) Subject: RE: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Western illinois don't know about the new ones, but i had a 6180 that was built too light. It had 3/4' drives instead of 7/8' for instance. Drive couplers with cotter pins that would shear off. I had to keep 2 or 3 seed sensors on hand at all times. It was extremely sensitive to seed size and why the @$%# would they put the air control outside the cab where you had to stop and get out to set it?

Don't miss it at all. Posted 5/9/2010 20:01 (#1191804 - in reply to #1191794) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter?

South Dakota Just finished planting corn.My first year using a White 6100.We will see how the stand is.Sure miss how easy the 950 cyclo was.I do not like switching plates. Posted 5/9/2010 22:07 (#1192045 - in reply to #1191794) Subject: RE: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? A good operator does not set air pressure from the cab on a White. Unlike the other brands with enclosed meters, whites have a clear disc that the operator can evaluate singulation.

When setting air pressure it is much better to check the seeds in the plates for doubles or skips, than to just kick your feet up and mess with hyd. And watch the monitor. Posted 5/9/2010 20:02 (#1191805 - in reply to #1191695) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Martinsville, Ohio White has been my planter since 76 and Oliver before that.

Did have a Cyclo for awhile but never liked it as well except for the row unit. Martin Industries changed all of that. White has been the most fail safe piece of machinery on our farm. Ed Posted 5/9/2010 20:04 (#1191807 - in reply to #1191695) Subject: RE: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Renville Minnesota Cuz I like the one we have! Though I wish it was 30 feet wider.

Posted 5/9/2010 20:06 (#1191810 - in reply to #1191695) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Three reasons: probably not one within 400 miles of here, couldn't trade or sell it if I needed, and god knows what if I needed a part. Posted 5/10/2010 10:56 (#1192715 - in reply to #1191810) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Wheatley, Arkansas Same story here! Posted 5/9/2010 20:12 (#1191820 - in reply to #1191695) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter?

Its not green and I can't but after market plates to make it plant better. Posted 5/9/2010 20:22 (#1191842 - in reply to #1191820) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Renville Minnesota 'after market plates'????? Can't figure out what planter you run, all the green ones here run those after market Case-ih wanna-be e-sets.

Posted 5/9/2010 20:33 (#1191855 - in reply to #1191842) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? South-central Nebraska I was 99% sold on the CaseIH until the meter alignment issue a couple yeara ago when I was shopping. Then was leaning towards 'tricking' out a White to my no-till likes until Mother Deere shot me a price a couldn't resist. Had something to do with letting them know my new planter, no matter what color, needs to be able to run behind a new MT. The green gods came running. Like CaseFarmer said earlier in the post, after awhile any planter becomes simple. Reasons I was a bit turned off of the White besides being more expensive: no 'Proshaft', no air down pressure which the others had, inabiltiy to mount a starter tank on a 24 row pull type frame, smaller driveshaft (3/4' ) and overall look that seemed lighter than the others.

But, I liked the simple meters without all the seed disk options and I like d working with the dealer. Like I said, Deere is working fine. Lots of neighbors going with CaseIH and a number of White planters in the area as well. Posted 5/9/2010 20:56 (#1191899 - in reply to #1191855) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Renville Minnesota I read allot of issues with the case 1200-1250s.All seem to be related to things we don't have on our old dealer-home shop built planter.

Big john monitor, freisen bar, central fill bought through parts (good ole days ). It doesn't have the all the goody's the new ones have, but it plants good for 30' rows. I wouldn't be afraid of the white planter, personally think there all good.but I also do not believe in planter perfectionism making or breaking the farm.Get the seeds out there, eliminate as many skips n doubles as possible. Id rather plant the right seed than the perfect stand, but that doesn't happen all the time either.

My advise is to go with the dealer you'd rather deal with. Am learning that no matter what the color, how good it is, if I cringe whenever i have to call for help.It aint worth having. Posted 5/9/2010 21:14 (#1191936 - in reply to #1191855) Subject: Drive shaft and down pressure.

Whites do not need a larger drive shaft because the meters turn easily compared to anything else on the market. I've never broken a drive shaft in 17 yrs of White planters. The 'shear bolt' is a cotter key. You won't break the drive shaft. As of 2010 planters White has air down pressure available.

Edited by Kooiker 5/9/2010 21:16 Posted 5/9/2010 21:53 (#1192007 - in reply to #1191936) Subject: RE: Drive shaft and down pressure. Southeast MN The drive shaft on the right half of my 6182 broke last Sunday. The break was rusty, only about 1/3 of that shaft was driving the 6 units and 3 fert hoppers.

I will do an alignment check at the end of the season. Spliced the break with a piece of square tubing slid over the break, pushed the shaft back together and drilled two 1/4 holes for two new 'shearpins' and was back in business in under an hour. And I did pick up a 12 foot stick of 3/4 hex at the local welding shop. Now with spare material on hand, it won't break again. 8- ) The down side to those easy turning meters on my bean machine is when corn stalks knock the drive chain off the row unit drive, the chain laying on the shaft will turn the meter just enough that the seedflow monitor won't go off. Normally use the pop monitor on the bean machine after planting corn but that's another story.

Posted 5/10/2010 00:34 (#1192345 - in reply to #1191855) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? NC KS You can get a 750 gallon starter tank on a 24 row pull type plus air down pressure. Posted 5/9/2010 20:54 (#1191895 - in reply to #1191820) Subject: after market plates to make it plant better Dallas Center IA 515-720-2463 Nobody makes 'after market plates to make it plant better', because White planters do not need all those add on deals to make them work. What I don't like about White Planters: First, I have owned two, a 5100 12x30 V-fold. My present corn planter is a 6182 12x30 forward fold, and Rawson Hydraulic Drive. I plant most soybeans with a Deere 7000 that was a 12x30, but made into a 15x16', Jamison Contact Wheel Drive.

Before the Whites I used the Deere 7000 12x30 for a long time. Deere 694AN and 1250 before. Both 6x30 I have planted with Deere 490 and 495A, Back to what I don't like about White planters: #1 Can't plant with ther lids off. Some of you are saying 'WHAT?'

But I planted 80-90% of the time with the 7000 with the lids off. The only time with them on was if there looked like a chance of rain. Reasons: With the lids off you can see how much seed is in the box. And it sure is a whole lot easier when you are planting the seed down to nothing. You can plant with a White and the lids off, as long as there is a fair amout of seed in them.

When it gets low it doesn't work. Harder to get the remaining seed out of a White. I think that drain pipe is a joke, Doesn't get it all out. I broke one off this spring, lost about a third a bag of seed, but it was the cheap stuff. Cheap compared to the other 3X kind that is.

On the 5100 I took them off as soon as I discovered they were full of crap. Put pipe plugs in. After loosing that seed corn, I will probably put pipe plugs in the 6182 next spring. The 6182's pipes were and have stayed clean. Harder to take the box and meter off than a finger pickup Deere. I felt the 5100 tranny was a lot harder to change than the 7000. With the Rawson I can forget about that.

Indivual row shut offs. The 5100 did not have any. The 6182 does, but harder to use than a Deere finger pickup one. (DSCF1027.JPG) Attachments - (98KB - 688 downloads) Posted 5/9/2010 21:13 (#1191930 - in reply to #1191895) Subject: RE: after market plates to make it plant better Western illinois just seeing the picture of that 6182 might give me nightmares.

I forgot to mention the constant trouble with the little reed switches in my earlier post. Make jumper wires and keep them handy.

Posted 5/9/2010 21:19 (#1191946 - in reply to #1191930) Subject: Switches Dallas Center IA 515-720-2463 It took me a while to figure the switches out, all before planting. Since then never a problem, and I am running the same switches that crossed the Missouri River on the planter back in 07. I do have a spare in the shed. It is the best forward fold on the market.

Simple, and low transport hitch weight. (DSCF1029.jpg) Attachments - (70KB - 660 downloads) Posted 5/9/2010 21:02 (#1191912 - in reply to #1191695) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? NE / NC INDIANA I didn't realize there was a planter that wasn't green??.GRIN. What percentage of US acres do you suppose gets planted with green and what% the 'others' do?? The numbers aren't that way for the he!! Some things you don't cheat on. And if you make your living out here in the dirt then the technolgy and quality of the tool putting your seed in the ground is NOT a place to cheat.

Posted 5/9/2010 21:10 (#1191921 - in reply to #1191912) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Iowa around here that would be White then. There is a lot of green tractors pulling red planters in this little part of the world. Posted 5/9/2010 21:11 (#1191925 - in reply to #1191921) Subject: Same here. If the tractor and planter brand do not match the planter is either a Kinze or a White.

Lots of Whites around here being pulled by green and red tractors. Posted 5/9/2010 21:10 (#1191922 - in reply to #1191912) Subject: I did not realize that JD made planter meters! I thought Precision planting made all the meters that are used on green planters If JD would have been able to copy a White meter before they came out with the vac there wouldn't be any other planters sold today.

As it is there are very few reasons why I wouldn't trade our current White for a new/newer one when the day comes. Reasons why it could possibly be something else, either to get a Kinze twin-line frame or to get CIH Early Riser row units. As of now JD wouldn't even be a consideration. Posted 5/9/2010 21:33 (#1191974 - in reply to #1191912) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter?

I don't buy that line of crap no-how. Mercedes makes a heckuva lot better car than Chevy, but how many do you see in comparison? There are just a lot more guys who have fallen for Mother Deere's brainwashing.

Posted 5/9/2010 21:13 (#1191929 - in reply to #1191695) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Oxford County SW Ontario all i can say is we only have one piece of green equipment on our farm. Posted 5/9/2010 21:15 (#1191939 - in reply to #1191929) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Kentucky Cause IH made the Early Riser Posted 5/9/2010 21:17 (#1191942 - in reply to #1191929) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Sucker brook, NY.

Bigbear - 5/9/2010 09:13 all i can say is we only have one piece of green equipment on our farm. Same here Posted 5/9/2010 21:23 (#1191952 - in reply to #1191929) Subject: One green machine Dallas Center IA 515-720-2463 What is that -one piece of green equipment on our farm?

A manure spreader? Posted 5/9/2010 21:52 (#1192006 - in reply to #1191695) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Midwest - IL/IA/MO I've never owned one, but have been around a White planter at a place I used to work. I would imagine back when you could easily get seed that was consistent throughout the bag, a White would be about the best meter you could have, because it is so simple. The problem today is the inconsistency.

I tried to calibrate that planter with an inconsistent bag, and it varied horribly. It didn't matter which of the 3 corn plates that I used, the small plate wouldn't fit the largest seeds and the large plate would get doubles and triples of the smaller seed, it just couldn't be set right for that. Posted 5/9/2010 22:08 (#1192050 - in reply to #1191695) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter?

Because I like staggered openers and gauge wheels hooked to the right end of the row unit. That leaves me with CaseIH. Edited by Pofarmer 5/9/2010 22:09 Posted 5/9/2010 23:21 (#1192245 - in reply to #1192050) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Granville, OH We just got a 6r30 5100 with 5 row splitter this year. It already has the 6100 down pressure springs and 15' openers. The reasons I would have for not buying one is dealer location if its an older planter like ours. Nearest one to us is 1.5 hours away.

Another is those single rubber press wheels that on ours are on the splitter only; we can't get them to close the slot in no till but are wanting to add martin closers to them which would fix that problem. Posted 5/9/2010 23:42 (#1192280 - in reply to #1191695) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Cambridge, southwestern Nebraska I didn't buy a White planter this year because my closet dealer is 100 miles away.literally. Since having this green one.I have had second thoughts. After running Cyclos for 15 years with positive air pressure and now running a vacuum, I have decided vacuums should stay in the house! Darn thing sucks air where ever it wants including up the seed tube and under the metering box on the CCS. Trash getting in to the plate has been a big problem.

I'm surprised Deere owners have put up with this. To me, it is a poor design. Works great in low trash enviroments but otherwise it's something else.

So, I don't know.I haven't looked at a White real close, just the brochures. But they do look like they could be a good deal. Posted 5/10/2010 09:59 (#1192660 - in reply to #1192280) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter?

Brazilton KS We had that problem bad in wheat straw with the 1790 Deere. Had to disassemble all the meters every few hours to remove the chaff and straw. Have not had it with the 1200 CIHs, but we have not planted double crop with them, either. Posted 5/11/2010 12:17 (#1194273 - in reply to #1192280) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Swne - 5/9/2010 23:42 I didn't buy a White planter this year because my closet dealer is 100 miles away.literally. Since having this green one.I have had second thoughts.

After running Cyclos for 15 years with positive air pressure and now running a vacuum, I have decided vacuums should stay in the house! Darn thing sucks air where ever it wants including up the seed tube and under the metering box on the CCS. Trash getting in to the plate has been a big problem. I'm surprised Deere owners have put up with this. To me, it is a poor design. Works great in low trash enviroments but otherwise it's something else. So, I don't know.I haven't looked at a White real close, just the brochures.

But they do look like they could be a good deal. E-SETS will fix that trash problems Dale. Posted 5/10/2010 00:18 (#1192323 - in reply to #1191695) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Of Stanley, Manitoba Canada Our results after one year with a White planter. Happy with the corn planting job.

Not so happy planting large edible beans. Meter seemed incapable of metering light red kidney beans accurately. (717 seeds/lb. ) Posted 5/10/2010 00:40 (#1192352 - in reply to #1191695) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Brazilton KS Because they do not put Early Riser row units on them, and some of the toolbars they use are a little on the hokey side. Posted 5/10/2010 07:57 (#1192506 - in reply to #1192352) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter?

South-central Nebraska After all of the comments maybe I should look hard at the CaseIh again next time. I'm not too excited about the hydraulic requiurements / PTO pump and I hope in the future I can go without the 600 monitor and only use my AgLeader. But for no-till, I agree that the 1200 series has some great features. Posted 5/10/2010 10:17 (#1192677 - in reply to #1192506) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter?

SCNE Maybe you need to get busy in the shop this winter and build something like this. My neighbor created this and it works very nicely.

The best of both worlds. (DSC04377.jpg) Attachments - (83KB - 713 downloads) (83KB - 695 downloads) Posted 5/10/2010 21:49 (#1193464 - in reply to #1191695) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Central Il Morton I've had 5 new White planters and this will be my last.

They had the best but there are better now. Last year I put on a 20/20 monitor and was really able to see how bad the White meter singulates and spaces the seed along with seeing the results of stand counts.

If you plant all the same seed across the planter you can get it to plant pretty good but try planting 3 rows of refuge and you will chase your tail trying to get it right. Take care pointrow Posted 5/11/2010 09:29 (#1194066 - in reply to #1193464) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? 5 new white planters and it took you buying a fancy monitor to see how bad it singulates? That's a bunch of crap.

If you have to rely on some monitor to evaluate singulation instead of your own eye and a tape measure after the crop comes up and you can't tell how 'bad' it is doing through 5 planters then it must not have been that 'bad.' In planting the refuge your problem was probably different seed sizes between the two varieties which would just require choosing the right plates for the different varieties. If you're too lazy to change plates then you probably need to quit farming 'cause climbing up in the tractor cab is probably getting to be too much work too. The white meter is the most simple and low maintenance meter out there which you can acutually see what is going on by (yes I know this sounds like a lot of work ) getting out and looking through the plate to find skips or doubles and adjust your air pressure. If you can eat with a fork you can adjust the air pressure on a White planter. Go buy a competitive planter and run it a few years and you'll find out what upkeep really is. And to the guy up above complaining about taking off the meter and box on a white, I can't say as I've ever had to pull one off, because the meter never gives trouble and is accessible without removing the box anyway.

If you can't run a white planter you probably don't know enough to come in out of the rain. Oh, it is such a bad design that Great Plains copied it for their new 'air' planter meter.

Edited by NRJessup 5/11/2010 09:30 Posted 5/11/2010 12:28 (#1194285 - in reply to #1194066) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Kossuth county, Iowa NRJessup, Once the crop is up isn't it to late to make changes to your stand? 20/20 is pretty nice so you can see what's happen before it comes up! Edited by JD8330 5/11/2010 12:32 Posted 5/11/2010 16:47 (#1194557 - in reply to #1194285) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? I'm not arguing that the 20/20 isn't a nice monitor, but are you trying to tell me that you wouldn't notice a poor stand (one with skips or doubles and triples ) year in and year out with the first 4 planters and you buy the 5th and suddenly this wonderful new monitor comes along and you realize you have been getting poor singulation?

I was born at night, but not last night. Or maybe you can't remember what kind of stand you had from one year to the next, and can't remember what techniques you used that worked or didn't work from one year to the next to make adjustments. The thing I don't think you get is that the seed disc on a White is clear, you can see through it and it is exposed on the outside of the meter. All you have to do is drive a little ways, stop, get out, kneel down beside the row units and look through the disc. If there are multiple seeds sticking in some of the cells (this would be a double or possibly a triple ), you lower your air pressure a little.

If there are empty cells (this would be a 'skip' ) you turn the air pressure up a little bit. I know the Deere guys have a hard time understanding being able to actually see what is going on in the meter, but on a White it is possible. You can even tap on the seed disc to see if a row unit 'bounce' in the field is going to knock seeds out of the cell and if it does then maybe a little more air pressure is needed. Like I said, if you can't set the air pressure for singulation on a white planter then you better have someone feed you so you don't stab yourself in the eye with the fork! Edited by NRJessup 5/11/2010 17:18 Posted 5/11/2010 17:48 (#1194636 - in reply to #1194557) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter?

Kossuth county, Iowa I don't think you've looked at a Deere Planter bc it has a window on each unit to visually check for doubles/skips. I doubt I would notice a 5% misplacement of seed by looking at the corn when it came up year to year. My eye isn't that good but the 20/20's is. Just saying it's possible. I'm sure if you take more time to fine tune things it can plant as well as Deere and CIH.

Posted 5/12/2010 01:12 (#1195444 - in reply to #1194636) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? What kind of adjustments do you make in the field to correct a 5% misplacement? And does a 5% misplacement really affect yield? A 5% misplacement is less than 1/3 of an inch when placing seeds 6' apart.

On any planter the most that can be done is to ensure there are no doubles or skips on the seed disc and that the meter is turning smoothly. Other than that, the way that the seed drops it totally random and to assume otherwise is lunacy. Do you reach into the seed boxes and make sure that all the tips of the kernals are facing the same way so they are dropped exactly the same, bounce in the seed tube the same way and tumble into the trench the same way? No, I have not looked at a new Deere and their window, but is the window big enough to see all the cells around the seed disk at the same time? There is no extensive fine tuning needed for a White planter. I believe it is Deere that requires all the talc and graphite and aftermarket discs to make them perform as well as a White and it hasn't been until recent years that CIH has finally gotten into the same realm that White has been in since the late 70's early 80's. If you are telling me that your Deere planter drops seeds with less than a 1/3 inch variance then the Deere kool-aid has certainly gone to your head.

I would put a White planter up against any other brand for spacing too as they have the shortest seed drop in the industry which minimizes the drop error. Edited by NRJessup 5/12/2010 01:16 Posted 5/12/2010 08:58 (#1195665 - in reply to #1195444) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Kossuth county, Iowa You should go to a Precision Planting meeting, they have a nice mobile learning center on a semi maybe it will stop in your area sometime.

I'm sure you won't believe them either but that's your choice. Posted 5/12/2010 09:54 (#1195766 - in reply to #1195665) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Oh, so that's it. You've been drinking the precision planting kool-aid.

Next time you attend one of their propaganda meetings, ask them when they are coming out with a flexible seed tube with a servo drive to change the curvature of the tube according to ground speed so the seed has the proper backward propulsion to maintain a 'zero' lateral speed drop. That would take out the last few thousandths of an inch in variability and should give you at least a 10 bushel per acre boost. You probably have your planter equipped with all sorts of gizmos and contraptions to apply micronutrients and snake oils because some salesman (probably Conklin ) told you it would give you a yield advantage. I believe the e-set plate is a vast improvement for a Deere planter, but only because their OEM was total crap. It basically made the Deere meter more like the CIH. They are still both chasing White in simplicity, reliability, and low maintenance, while they have just finally caught up in performance. Only took them 30 years.

Posted 5/12/2010 10:32 (#1195812 - in reply to #1195766) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Kossuth county, Iowa They're probably working on it! Our Planter is completely stock no add ons not even starter. The ProMax 40s worked better than the esets on the precision planting test stand.

I was planning on staying with the 40s but that confirmed my decision. Changing plates for different seed size and chain drives makes White simpler and more reliable?those ideas are a lot more than 30 years old. They're not snake oil if they work, maybe you don't have a yield monitor to figure that out?

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Posted 5/12/2010 12:39 (#1195994 - in reply to #1195812) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? According to precision their plate performs in that 98-99% range of accuracy. How could the pro max (sweet corn plate ) exceed this in performance? I suppose a tenth of a percent is significant in this area. A yield monitor was able to tell the difference between the pro max and precision plates, seems a little tough to believe. Mother nature has more to do with a slight yield difference than we ever will.

Posted 5/12/2010 14:25 (#1196188 - in reply to #1195994) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Ogden, IA (Central) Yeah I feel like going out and buying a brand new JD planter and then go out and have to spend another 10 to 15 K for the precision planting stuff.

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Yeah ive just got that cash sitting around doing nothing else. Really makes break evens look real good. O thats right were going to pick up 3 bushel.

Pretty sure that you could pick up a lot more by doing something else that your missing like O. Tile or 10 lbs more N. That may get you 15 bushel or MORE. Or you can buy a White ceaper than a Deere or any other color Stock and still have that Picket fence stand.

All in all with a white you could be 30 to 50 K ahead (on a 24 row ) in cash next to a deere. Pencil that out for me please. Edited by threeb 5/12/2010 14:28 Posted 5/12/2010 14:54 (#1196235 - in reply to #1195994) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Kossuth county, Iowa Well, when it run on THEIR test stand the PP run 97.5 to 98.5 and the 40's run 98 to 99.9. I asked the PP salesman what's the deal? He said the PPs needed some of their talc/graphite mix, but also said there's nothing wrong with the 40s you just need to adjust the singulator to be able to use the same range of seed size as the PPs.

As for the yield monitor I was talking about Micro's and was responding to NRJessup NOT seed spacing. Agreed on the weather, needs to warm up or none of it matters! Just to let threeb know we do tile, over 1,000,000' in the last ten years, and did you even read the post I wrote before I said our planter is STOCK! When I priced them the White was more expensive! Edited by JD8330 5/12/2010 15:04 Posted 5/12/2010 20:02 (#1196605 - in reply to #1196235) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Ogden, IA (Central) So why can you find brand new 8824 white on tractorhouse.com for less money than a similar equiped Used JD 1770 CCS???

Edited by threeb 5/12/2010 20:05 Posted 5/12/2010 20:38 (#1196675 - in reply to #1196605) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter? Hey threeb, if I was a salesman pricing a White planter to JD8330, I would make it more expensive too. It's called the pain in the a$$ factor. Posted 5/12/2010 21:18 (#1196777 - in reply to #1196605) Subject: Re: Why? That's the famous 'John Deere Resale Value', its worth more used than new. Maybe that used JD has had $10,000 of aftermarket fixes put on it. Posted 5/12/2010 21:26 (#1196807 - in reply to #1196605) Subject: Re: Why would you NOT buy a White planter?